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For both states only E. fulgens var. fulgens is indicated, no E. gibbiflora though. This may not completely exclude E. gibbiflora, but in regard of the structure of the inflorescence this is not gibbiflora. The branches are much shorter than E. gibbiflora ever is.
E. fulgens var. fulgens is said to be smaller in all parts than E. gibbiflora and has leaves turning to reddish or brownish.

The plants were too big to be fulgens. The inflorescence was easy 80 to 90 cm high. We would visit in the south-west of Michoacan (Coalcoman) a plant that was named acutifolia (herbarsheet). We didnt because of it was a one day trip and J. Reyes said the plants were gibbiflora.

E. fulgens var. fulgens and var. obtusifolia differ primarily in the size of the rosettes which is difficult to estimate from your photos. E. Walther says that var. obtusifolia "never approaches [var. fulgens] in leaf colour but is always clear deep green". Whether this is also true for extreme conditions, I do not know.

The first picture of the plants from the neighbourhood of Juxtlehuaca shows a plant with inflorescense. Length of the plant (bothem of the rosette to the top of the inflorescense) is 30 to 35 cm. Most od the plants were about that.
Most of the plants were full exposed to the sun. In that case, we think it's normal the leaves turn red. We didnt see blue or purple in the color of the leaves (like often with the gibbifloras).

A question for the next series : Regarding the inflorescences there are at least 2 different plants included ?

Next serie (10 pictures) are from the same habitat, (south of Tlaxiaco in the state of Oaxaca). We choosed pictures of a bit different plants to show the variation of the plants. Its in the neighborhood of the habitat of helmutiana. You are not going to tell us we overlooked a specimen of helmutiana? We found there many, many plants and for us they are too small too to be gibbiflora (like Gerhard thinks).

Next serie (last one) shows plants from Huitzilac in the state of Morelos (11 pictures, the picture with the plants on the tree included). The pictures from Manue under fulgens var obtusifolia are plants from Huitzilac. Its a nice habitat with maybe thousends of plants. Most of the plants stay under trees and are not the whole day exposed to the sun, although a lot of them turn brown, red-brown. They don't have the marvellous red color of the plants from the neighbourhood of Juxtlahuaca.