Echeveria skinneri?

cactusmieke · 2012-11-27 22:13:45

Tussen agaves en hechtia's boven een steile helling en tegen een loodrechte rotswand.

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margrit · 2012-11-28 17:33:44

Where did you see this plant ?

cactusmieke · 2012-11-28 20:28:53

Between Yosondua and Yolotepec, in Oaxaca. It's south - east from Tlaxiaco, (in the middle of nowhere).

margrit · 2012-11-28 21:59:00

E. skinneri seems rather doubtful because of the pendent / decumbent habit, and flowers of skinneri have pedicels 10 - 16 mm long - I think longer than on your photo ?

cactusmieke · 2012-11-29 07:45:46

Pedicels are at least 10 mm

On top of the cliffs they are growing upright

Tom · 2012-11-29 09:13:31

Je penche pour Echeveria amphoralis.

cactusmieke · 2012-11-29 10:33:45

Je ne connais pas E. amphoralis ni en culture ni dans la nature. J'ai lu au livre de Pilbeam que cette plante fleurit en printemps. Nous avons trouvé ces plantes fin d'octobre en plein fleur. La forme des fleurs ne me semble pas comme celle d'une amphore.

J'ajoute ici une photo des rosettes:

Ik ken E. amphoralis niet, niet in cultuur en ook niet in de natuur. Pilbeam zegt in zijn boek dat de in de lente bloeien en wij hebben de planten eind october in volle bloem gevonden. De vorm van de bloemen vertoont weinig gelijkenis met een amfora.

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margrit · 2012-11-29 13:06:16

Seeing the new photos of plants in a more normal position and with well developped inflorescences, I do not hesitate to call it E. skinneri. Mieke, you see it can be misleading to present only photos of plants in uncommon situations and with poorly looking inflorescences !

E. amphoralis is not possible because this is a puberulous plant all over.

Tom · 2012-12-01 16:38:01

margrit wrote:

E. amphoralis is not possible because this is a puberulous plant all over.

Exact ! sorry.

margrit · 2012-12-01 20:54:51

Thank you, Mieke ! http://crassulaceae.ch/index.php?TPL=10122&x270_id=1569

cactusmieke · 2012-12-08 14:36:03

Again about these 'skinneri'. We asked the opinion of J. Reyes. They knew the plants at the Unam and till now they stay with amphoralis. They are following up a few plants. Jeronimo told that M. Kimnach the plant would describe as E. lautneri, he would them describe as E. yosondua, but none of them did so because of the minor differences between amphoralis and the plants we found. So the name stays with "?"

margrit · 2012-12-08 21:12:30

As I said above - according to the description E. amphoralis is a pubescent plant and I cannot see this on your photos. Also the flowers of E. amphoralis are distinctly longer > 2.4 cm long, which is not true either for this plant.

The rosette you have published in the post with 4 photos is similar to the one I have published on ICN which is the type plant of E. skinneri from Myron's collection.

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