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Kwie2011

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Registered: 2015-05-27

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E. Pulvinata or harmsii?

Even in bloom, I'm still not sure which this is.  Would you ID it for me, please, and tell me how I can tell it apart from its look-alike cousin?

Thanks

margrit

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Registered: 2007-09-03

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Re: E. Pulvinata or harmsii?

Je propose que tu compares ta plante avec les photos de ces deux liens, particulièrement les fleurs ....

http://www.crassulaceae.ch/de/artikel?a … P&aID=1696

http://www.crassulaceae.ch/de/artikel?a … H&aID=1422

Kwie2011

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Registered: 2015-05-27

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Re: E. Pulvinata or harmsii?

Thanks, Margrit.  I don't speak French, but I think you told me to have a look at the two descriptions and pay particularly close attention to the flowers.  I did that, and I think it's most like E. pulvinata.  It's definitely not E. harmsii'so urn-like corrollas and plain sepals, but it doesn't match E. pulvinata perfectly either.  Would this likely be due to variation among individuals, or hybridization with something else?

Tom

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Re: E. Pulvinata or harmsii?

Hi,

It looks like a hybrid, maybe 'Pulv-Oliver'.

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Ma photothèque.

margrit

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Re: E. Pulvinata or harmsii?

Sorry for answering in French !

From now on you will never again confuse your plant with E. harmsii.

Tom has proposed 'Pulv-Oliver' - it's up to you to tell us whether you find your plant closer to the species or the hybrid. You have the plant, we only see photos .... The hybrid has a longer corolla of a paler colour. Maybe we should wait until more flowers have opened on your plant.

Kwie2011

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Registered: 2015-05-27

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Re: E. Pulvinata or harmsii?

That's ok, Margrit.  Working out a little French using only my weak grasp of Spanish might help to keep my aging brain sharp.  <grin>

I think you're right.  We might need a few more blooms.  Pulv-Oliver is a more similar color, but the corolla is a little longer.  I think it's leaf shape is more like mine than pulvinata though.  I think you're right, Tom, some type of hybrid.  When more blooms open, I'll let you know what I think.

Thanks very much, both of you.

unsane

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Registered: 2008-12-19

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Re: E. Pulvinata or harmsii?

Hi,

for me its Echeveria ´Pulv-Oliver´. E. pulvinata has not these long pedicels and so the inflorescence is more compact than in ´Pulv-Oliver´. Here the Inflorescence is fairly open.