International Crassulaceae Network Forum

Thanks, Margrit.  I don't speak French, but I think you told me to have a look at the two descriptions and pay particularly close attention to the flowers.  I did that, and I think it's most like E. pulvinata.  It's definitely not E. harmsii'so urn-like corrollas and plain sepals, but it doesn't match E. pulvinata perfectly either.  Would this likely be due to variation among individuals, or hybridization with something else?

I've only recently become interested in succulents, and I'm finding just that.  Even within a genus, they vary a great deal.  The dearth of sunshine here from fall through spring also presents a challenge.  I keep mirrors behind my succulents until the sun comes out.

It is two separate plants.  They might come from the same plant at some point, but I bought two separate adult plants.

I hadn't replied earlier because I didn't know how to respond to the suggestion that the plant is diseased.  I realize you're the expert, Margrit's, but I can't wrap my head around the idea.  What sort of disease would cause all flowers to change, but remain healthy and viable?  Do you have any examples?  Do you mean an infectious disease?  Is that why you think I should discard it?

My best guesses, without a degree in botany or plant genetics, would be mutation, or an F2 or F3 hybrid.  Hybrid with what, I don't have a clue.  I've only recently developed an interest in succulents.  Do any Crassulacea have such succulent petals?

I'm not going to discard them.  They are beautiful, healthy plants, and I find the flowers interesting, if not exceptionally pretty.  I will take those measurements for you, Petar, and I'll check that link, Tom.  Those flowers are very, very close, aren't they?  Your suggestions are so much closer to anything I've seen.

I like my little plants, and will be very disappointed if you're right, Margrit, so I hope you don't mind that I'm betting against you on this one.

Addendum:

I don't speak French, so I'm only able to understand a little of the thread you linked to, Tom (I can't translate it with only my mobile device), but I am intrigued by the comment about the effect of cold winter temperatures.  I left all these plants out in the cold over the winter.  I only brought them in when we expected a hard freeze.  Do I understand that your plant produced normal flowers the next year?  I will have to keep these warmer this winter and see what happens next season.  Do you know the ideal winter temperatures for E. purpusorum or 'Glory'? 

I'll try to translate the thread so I understand more later, but I'm intrigued.

They are flowering for the first time since I've had them, but it looked like one had a little bit of a spent inflorescence still stuck to it when I bought it last summer/fall.  I have 2 full size rosettes on separate plants, and one small rosette growing from one of those.  All three rosettes are flowering, and all three ha e these curiously fleshy flowers- the petals are succulent like leaves.  They aren't like any petals I know.

Thanks very much, Tom (and Margrit).  I'll poke around and see if I can learn something.

Thanks very much, both of you.

If I may ask, how does one differentiate between G. 'A Grim One,' and the plant commonly referred to as G. 'Moonglow' in so many places on the Internet?  Is the latter the same plant, but renamed by a lay person, or is 'Moonglow' a different plant, but that doesn't exist because it isn't formally recognized by an accepted authority?  Maybe neither explanation is correct.  How does one know which cultivars really do exist, and which are... explained in some other way?

The rosette is only about 2.5 inche's across.  Here is another photo with my index finger for scale.  There is just the one flower so far, but it has opened a little more so you can see the color inside (pretty).

Thanks so much for your help.