#1 Re: Identification » Kalanchoe » 2015-05-11 11:36:25

I'm late for this party, but just wanted to give more info about this form. It is a nameless form of a supposedly spontaneous hybrid of daigremontiana, but in old forums it goes by the name Kalanchoe "Moullec" or Bryophyllum "Moullec" honoring the person who noticed it and gave it to many people. Maybe Jean-Michel can shade more light on its origin?

As for the second parent of this hybrid, some suggested Kalanchoe jongmansii (I think Stephen Jankalski was the one who originally suggested this), to account for the more decumbent growth, different ovaries, exserted pistils, reduced calyx tube with spaced sepals, and a shorter, funnel-shaped corolla with yellow/brown tint. (I think that beauverdii might be a better explanation as it accounts for the same features, and according to Resende plantlet formation is a recessive feature in hybrids while inflorescence hair seems to be dominant - so if jongmansii is the parent it is unlikely to have plantlets at first generation, etc... At least this is my opinion, so I might be completely wrong)

Anyway, here is the same form in my collection (receiving 7 hours of direct sun...)

A question - can the ICN officially name a form? If so, it might be good to consider officially naming this one (cv 'Moullec') to avoid confusion with other long-leaved daigremontiana / its long-leaved hybrids (like Richaud's daigremontiana "Makay form", 'Parsel Tongue' ISI 2007-25, and certain clones of x houghtonii like 'Jaws of Life').

#2 Re: Identification » Kalanchoe » 2015-05-11 11:01:55

Sorry for using English here,

I agree with Tom and Lur - this plant is K. rosei var variifolia (var according to Shaw), and it is distributed under the cultivar name 'Lucky Bells' in Europe. As Tom said it differs from K. x richaudii in much bigger and pronounced teeth and less linear leaves, but also by being petiolate (mature leaves of course) while K. x richaudii is sessile. variifolia also has a very different calyx - remains green with spots between sepals in sun (not purple in sun or just green in shade like x richaudii), with calyx tube that is shorter and much widest at the base of the sepals (not longer and nearly tubular/cylindrical in x richaudii), and with more acute sepals than x richaudii. Shaw (2008) included in this name K. "rauhii" too, saying that they are the same, without justification.

K. rosei var variifolia, "rauhii" and x richaudii are all hybrids of rosei (var rosei and/or serratifolia), most likely with delagoensis (also some suggested daigremontiana as the second parent for variifolia, but without justification). So the name x richaudii is definitely more appropriate than K. rosei var variifolia, but this is not proven to be true (that variifolia is also rosei x delagoensis) - so I would not call this plant x richaudii, especially as it looks very different from the "real" x richaudii. ("rauhii", that possibly represents the same plant as variifolia, is an invalid name - so it is not a viable option either).

#3 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2015-02-22 10:49:01

margrit wrote:

Thank you for updating, Ronen ! miniata is pretty !


margrit wrote:

The apex of the anthers is formed by a glandular appendage - something rather tiny I'd think !

It's very very very tiny! Took me some time to shoot a good photo, and had to get an anther from the lower level - sacrificing the integrity of a couple of flowers. Surprisingly my phone's [Note 3] back camera worked better than the Canon and the old Nikon. Still it is barely visible, but it is there!

A photo of each clone (Kenyan is the first one):

#4 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2015-02-20 16:04:55

Thank you, Tom! I got this clone from Richaud.
It is the first miniata that ever flowered in my collection and I can't wait to compare it with the other clones (all in buds)!

Margrit, I'll check as soon as the storm passes - what to look for exactly? As far as I understand it looks like a rounded tip on top of the anthers?

Some more photos from before / during the current storm:

An interesting clone of "blossfeldiana", from Japan:

Buds of K. x 'Wendy', single flowered, again:

Buds of the possible K. gracilipes x uniflora, again:

Different perspectives on K. rebmannii:

A lobed clone of presumably K. spathulata also prepares buds (they were eaten by a snail but developed again):

Newer photo of the robust K. miniata:

First open flower of the regular clone of millottii (damaged by hail):

ISI 95-35 K. x 'Pink Zinfandel' is preparing buds - this photo isn't very clear, I'll try to take a better one soon.

#5 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2015-02-18 15:05:22

Unfortunately last week was very stormy (with hail and sand storms), but I moved everything again. It is still hard to find a good time to take new photos due to visibility, but I'm going to post some anyway. About half are from before the last storm and the rest is more up to date. I won't post these all at once...

Two more photos of one of my wide-leaf K. beauverdii clones:

K. laciniata, possibly 'African Queen'?:

First flowers of K. lateritia "var zimbabwensis":

First open flower of my robust K. miniata:

Kenyan prittwitzii:

First open flower of the second clone of prittwitzii with entire leaves:

Flowers of the regular clone of K. rosei ssp rosei (these flowers developed after many abnormal hail-damaged buds fell off):

#6 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2015-01-31 10:45:57

Tom wrote:
Ronen wrote:

One of two clones of wide-leaf K. beauverdii (with some hail damage)

But a nice corolla. smile

Thanks! That hail happened when the corolla was still tiny, so I could see how it slowly develops "inside" the calyx. It was also exposed to light much earlier, and probably this is why this flower was the first to open.

As promised, more photos (8 instead of 7):

Buds of Richaud's possible second clone of inaurata or miniata, that Tom also has:

Buds of Richaud's peltigera-like miniata (in leaf shape and coloration):

Just noticed that jongmansii is also about to flower:

Buds on porphyrocalyx x uniflora from Japan:

'Jaws of Life', again (it is mostly in shade, in full sun the corolla color is dark red):

K. humilis "figuereidoi":

An example of hail damage on daigremontiana:

Flowers of my crenata (hairless, dark yellow flowered), with some hail damage, too:

#7 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2015-01-30 10:46:03

From the past week I just uploaded 14 photos, so I guess I shouldn't post all at once... First seven today:

K. x kewensis should flower soon:

K. rebmannii, again:

First open flowers for the Kenyan prittwitzii:

K. peltigera, again (different branch):

My most robust clone of K. miniata (out of four forms), sadly some parts of the inflorescence are very damaged by hail:

K. lateritia "var zimbabwensis":

K. laciniata, possibly 'African Queen':

#8 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2015-01-24 09:08:12

Three weeks passed since my last post, due to another very strong hail storm. I managed to mostly shield most of the pots but large pots (like clones of rosei and fedschenkoi) suffered some damage, especially to the inflorescences. The rest regenerated relatively well, so here are some new developments.

Buds on my regular clone of x 'Wendy' (miniata x porphyrocalyx), i.e. not double-flowered, from Japan:

Buds on another plant that recently arrived from Japan, a possible uniflora x gracilipes:

Newer photo of K. sp. Pic St Louis:

K. rebmannii in flower:

K. peltigera:

K. laciniata, possibly 'African Queen'?:

K. × houghtonii (daigremontiana x delagoensis) 'Jaws Of Life':

The tiny flowers of the regular K. humilis:

Marginated K. blossfeldiana:

One of two clones of wide-leaf K. beauverdii (with some hail damage):

#9 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2015-01-04 17:30:23

Yes, but it seems that the variation in prittwitzii (at least the forms I'm aware of) mirrors variations in other species like glaucescens, rotundifolia, etc. I mean that within a species, only certain traits like a small range in leaf margin types, corolla contrast and brightness, degree of hairiness, degree of glaucousness, etc, are variable - while other traits remain constant... It's like certain traits were chosen to be taxonomically relevant, while others aren't. I'm not even sure if it is not just the product of the subjectivity of the people who described these species and of their taxonomic history?

I'm also looking forward to seeing the flowers - especially of "K. lugardii" which I've never seen (not even in photos)... Hopefully the very rainy climate this year won't interrupt the process (we had more, rather small, hail, and another storm is coming. I'll move the plants for this one as it will probably be accompanied with large hail).

#10 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2015-01-03 09:23:48

It is the "up to" size - younger leaves are smaller. I have another form of glaucescens, but the only thing that makes me question the ID is the size of its leaves, up to 3.5 x 1.5 cm. I'll wait for it to look more characteristic before posting photos (it had trouble adjusting to my conditions), but it's very different from this form. And there is the unidentified species from earlier posts - looks somewhat like a possible glaucescens, but too big and erect.

Some additional forms are with open flowers - I already took the photos but will post later...

For now, a comparison between two clones of prittwitzii (which resembles glaucescens in many traits), one from Yale Sedman who received it from Kenya, the other received as "K. lugardii" from Richaud and collected by Descoings. "K. lugardii" is the one with entire leaves.


#11 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-27 19:00:49

The description says:
Perennial, glabrous, pruinose, 0.3 - 1.2 m tall, stems erect or decumbent at the base. Leaves petiolate, petiole slightly flattened and grooved above, 0.5 - 2.5 cm, easily detachable from the stem, lamina narrowly to broadly ovate, obovate, glaucous or glaucescent, sometimes with maroon or purple spots beneath, to 10 x 7 cm, tip acute to obtuse, base cuneate, margins bluntly serrate to crenate, rarely subentire.

Everything seems to fit (even easily detachable leaves), apart from slightly grooved above petiole (but it is slightly flattened), and as you see the leaves are subentire. The leaves are 7 x 5 cm, but the description says "to", so is it close enough?

#12 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-26 11:34:57

margrit wrote:

It is the ssp. montana which is hairy, I have no idea whether it is in cultivation anywhere.

I admit that I rather think your other plant could be luciae, but I have read so often that the two species are so much variable vegetatively that they can only be distinguished with certainty when the flowers are present - I prefer not to run a risk !

OK, thanks! I have to agree that it's too risky with the possible luciae...

Some new openings:

Yellow flowered 'Calendiva':

The very fragrant thyrsiflora:

Richaud's K. sp from Pic Saint Louis:

And I just had to show-off 'Tessa' again:

And another mystery plant, maybe K. glaucescens?

#13 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-22 15:15:07

margrit wrote:

Look at this link - the supposed thyrsiflora is quite resembling Jacquie's photos :

http://www.crassulaceae.ch/de/artikel?a … T&aID=2878

Thanks, that's what I thought too! I started trying to smell the flowers this year, and before these buds only the open flowers of synsepala had any smell whatsoever (somewhat citrus like, but very weak). However, even the buds of this K. thyrsiflora are very fragrant - they remind me of the scent of jasmine! Can't wait to smell the open flowers!

margrit wrote:

Whether the one you think is luciae is indeed this species - best to await the flowers, to be sure !

Yes, but is there any other way?

Also, I've read in the description that some K. luciae are hairy. Does anyone have a clone like that, or a photo of such plant?

#14 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-21 15:01:34

Thanks Margrit!

Here are the first flowers to open of K. sexangularis and hairless K. synsepala:


And two additional tomentosa that I suspect might differ from the other five:


And a mystery,
Two weeks ago I found behind a bush in my garden a large Kalanchoe - the inflorescence was sticking out. It must have been there since the renovations a few years back, or maybe from seeds. I potted it and now it looks much better. Originally I thought it's a K. luciae, but the inflorescence had only one stage suggesting thyrsiflora, and now as the flowers are closer to opening - the petals are clearly yellow (suggesting thyrsiflora). The problem is that I don't remember ever having this species, instead I'm pretty sure that two years ago I saw the flowers of K. luciae in my garden (whitish petals, several stages) and I still have cuttings from this plant... Is there a way to confirm my memory that I have K. luciae, too, even if it hasn't flowered since??? See the photos below:

What I thought was my only plant of the two species, and based on memory alone, it is K. luciae?:


The rediscovered plant, apparently K. thyrsiflora:


#15 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-18 11:45:10

Thank you both! Margrit is correct, but only one of my clones of tomentosa has ever flowered ('European Clone'). Here is a photo from last year:


New photos from the past week:


A tiny K. obtusa developing buds:

#16 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-15 16:20:11

margrit wrote:

The name "Kalanchoe rauhii" - more correctly K. rauhii hort. - is used for a hybrid of K. rosei.

There is no "var. rauhii".

K. rauhii hort. (the K. rosei hybrid) was never officially named either, as far as I know. I was referring to the invalid "var. rauhii" of tomentosa, a name applied in Europe to the same form of long haired tomentosa as "var. fievetii" in the US. Thanks for reinforcing my memory that both vars are invalid!

About the K. rosei hybrid "K. rauhii" (which I have) - I disagree with Shaw (2008) that it is the same plant as Kalanchoe rosei subsp. variifolia (distributed as K. 'Lucky Bells'), based on comparing the former with online photos of the latter (both flowers and leaves differ in some traits). However I can't be sure yet as I don't have subsp./var. variifolia/'Lucky Bells'... (And there is of course x richaudii - yet another K. rosei x delagoensis hybrid, but it is very different from these two)

margrit wrote:

Many thanks for your photos, Ronen. Very interesting to see the variation in K. tomentosa - maybe sometime we will know the possible cv names !

I hope so too!

#17 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-15 11:16:12

Laurent, thank you for the photo! Before you wrote that it's from the internet, I thought that you have every variegated crassulaceaen in existence wink

Margrit, is the name "var. rauhii" valid (used for the same form)?
Shaw's list also has some obvious mistakes, like "tomentosa cv 'Tomentosa'", a name used by GW for the same plant as cv 'European Clone'...
I don't have 'Golden Girl', but I have two unidentified golden forms (don't know their names, and they become more golden during the summer). I also have two other forms (one thin-leafed with brown margins, and the other 'Super Didier' which is mark-less) but they are too young...

Long leaf golden form:

Short leaf golden form:

'European Clone', in shade and sun:

#18 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-12 15:36:12

Laurent wrote:

There are 2 different variegated forms of K. tomentosa, one with variegated edges and one with variegation in the middle of the leaves.

This is usually the case, judging by other species with variegated forms (luciae, fedtschenkoi...). But I was referring to the one with variegated edges, have never seen the other one!

#19 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-11 21:40:33

And if one follows Shaw (2008), there are also:

'Dick Wright' - "Narrow lvs, with brown line along each margin"
'Golden Giant' - "Leaf tips brown when mature"
'Hans Britsch' - "Broad lvs, particularly felted and hairy"
'Pedro Braso'
'Tsukitofi Nishiki'
'Tukitojinisiki' (the variegated form)

#20 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-11 21:16:46

I have five different cultivars only two of which are named... That's a very specific question, now I'm curious!

I misread the question, sorry... I know: 'Chocolate Soldier', 'European Clone', 'Golden Girl', 'Super Didier', 'Super Duper', 'Super Fuzzy', "var. rauhii" which is probably the same as "var. fievetii", and the variegated form. There are many unnamed forms in cultivation, too.

#21 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-11 19:27:14

Laurent wrote:

Found or borrowed ? big_smile

This one I actually found, a leaf of K. beharensis was "borrowed"... wink

Laurent wrote:

It's strange that some plants can look awful when kept in conditions very close to their natural environment. In nature L.g. grows in pure rock ...and looks awful too (the following link leads to a small photo, but I can distinguish the same burnt/necrotic marks on the leaves of the wild plant : http://www.crassulaceae.com/botanik/pfl … M&gnr=1630 )

Thanks for the photo, I've never seen such burns in my collection on any Lenophyllum despite of the intense summer sun. And yes, I agree, some plants seem to become needy in cultivation. Eventually I'll have to re-pot the other two Lenophyllum to the gardening mix...

#22 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-11 16:38:28

Thank you a lot, Laurent!

I found a leave of this L. guttatum at the "botanical garden" in Tel Aviv, during the last spring. During the spring the climate here is very nice, slightly too hot sometimes, so leaves root very well. I'm surprised that your plant gets burns during the summer, because mine had probably at least 5-6 hours of direct sun during the summer every day (no burns), and here the summer sun is brutal... I don't fertilize it, and during the summer my region is totally devoid of rain so I water everything to the bone about once a week (5-9 days), but small pots like this one are watered twice as often some times (based on how they look). During the late autumn to early spring I don't usually water at all (unless there is a drought) - in my climate plants are susceptible to large amounts of water after the dry summer.

The condition you're describing for your L. g. is familiar to my other species of L. Recently I think I found out why - the two species that rot during the summer were potted in a dense soil, which includes a lot of sand and small rocks. My L. g. however is potted in a gardening mix, with tuff, moss fiders, and soil (no sand), so if you're using sand, a lighter mix with fibers might help...

And now, some new photos:

The flowers of Kalanchoe marnieriana and x 'Tessa' started to open today.


Also, here is yet another "blossfeldiana", a soon to be yellow flowered 'Calendiva':


A comparison between the buds of my two clones of K. humilis - the typical humilis has more mature green buds, while the "figuereidoi" has purplish buds, which are clearly younger.


Some of you might remember the possible K. inaurata from Tom's post. My plant was beheaded by the brutal hail a few months ago, I assumed that it won't flower this season. Nevertheless, the new narrow leaves on the plants (the apex, and the body) suggest otherwise!


And finally two more photos of K. spathulata var. spathulata in flower:


#23 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-07 15:48:06

Kalanchoesammler wrote:

Really nice! smile


Here is yet another "surprise", a stolon of my regular K. synsepala, still attached to the mother plant, got a stolon of its own!


#25 Re: News » Kalanchoe and others in my collection » 2014-12-05 17:50:04

First opened flowers of K. spathulata var. spathulata, the first form to flower since K. rotundifolia:


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